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Click to view smithl's profile   54 posts since
Nov 7, 2007

Nov 8, 2007 10:59 AM

Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE


At national convention, I talked with an ag teacher from Anson, TX. He said his district adopted a policy to add grade points to a student's final GPA each year for 50 hours of FFA involvement outside the classroom.

I would like to do something similar but before I take it to the administration, I'd like to know how many programs have similar policies.

So, if you provide any additional credit or points for anything FFA related, please post that here.

I think this fits into program marketing very well for academics...

Click to view ToddR's profile   1 posts since
Nov 14, 2007
2. Nov 14, 2007 11:06 AM in response to: smithl
Re: Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE
According to school law, this practice of giving extra credit for an ASB or extra activity is illegal. I used to give extra credit until my school law class and found out it is illegal. "Quid pro quo" is the legal definition which basically means something for something. If not all kids can join FFA nor do not elect to participate, you can't give them credit in class. We use an activity chart to chart the most active member in each class and the booster club gives them each a $50 gift card. I can give you a copy if you wish.
Click to view AgriHawg's profile   15 posts since
Nov 15, 2007
4. Nov 15, 2007 3:23 PM in response to: smithl
Re: Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE

In our program, SAE is a part of the class grade in combination with their record book. SAE / Record Book is 25% of their grade. I grade record books once a month. Also, if they do not have an SAE, it is a 20 point deduction from their record book grade automaticaly.

FFA is graded as up to 10% bonus points. If they are not in FFA, it doesn't penalize them, but if they participate they receive bonus in the class. That's how we get around it in Missouri at my school.

CDEs count as bonus classroom points as well. I base it on performance in the CDE as well in comparrison to each other and how much they improve each CDE we go to. The better they perform, the higher bonus points they can earn.

Not sure what you mean by LDE.

Joe Moore

Verona, MO

Click to view AgriHawg's profile   15 posts since
Nov 15, 2007
6. Nov 15, 2007 3:38 PM in response to: smithl
Re: Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE

Oh, I just consider that along with CDEs and grade prety much the same way. Based on performance and how far they advance.


JCM

Click to view jparker's profile   13 posts since
Nov 16, 2007
7. Jan 9, 2008 9:24 AM in response to: AgriHawg
Re: Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE

When you grade SAE record books do you have some type of rubric to grade by (ex. some many entries since the last grade period, financial data, pictures of projects, etc.)? I am trying to grade record books once a month right now. Some students really participate well while others do the bare minimum. I am just looking for a rubric or some ideas for a rubric. This way I can have the students grade their record books themselves before I do. This will help them see weak areas and areas of strength in their record books.

Thanks,

Jay Parker

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Jan 11, 2008
8. Jan 11, 2008 9:14 AM in response to: jparker
Re: Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE

Jay,

Attached are several scoring guides I use. I'm in Missouri so these relate to the Missouri Secondary record book. You may need to make modifications for your recordkeeping system. Each quarter student recordbooks and notebooks are graded with each counting as 5% of the class grade. SAE's are scored as well and are worth 10% of the quarter grade. I have long been an advocate that FFA should not be a part of the class grade as many students are unable to participate even if they wanted to. Comes from living 20 miles from school growing up and being allowed to only participate in one after school activity each week after I got my drivers license. I tell my students that FFA activities should be things they want to do not feel like they have to. Puts the responsibility on the executive committee to come up with things members want to do. We use an activity point sheet for the FFA and members who earn a pre-set number of points are recognized with a school FFA letter at the school awards program on the last day of school. Who goes to national convention is also determined by these points as well. I found out a long time ago that you can't make students get involved but you sure can reward those who do. This works for us and with a little experimenting you'll find what works for you.

Dan

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Click to view moconfed's profile   2 posts since
Jan 11, 2008
9. Jan 11, 2008 9:17 AM in response to: jparker
Re: Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE

Jay,

Since I couldn't send but 5 attachments at a time, here are a few more that relate.

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Click to view AgriHawg's profile   15 posts since
Nov 15, 2007
10. Jan 11, 2008 5:00 PM in response to: jparker
Re: Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE
Here is the form that I use for grading record books and for closing out records. Like Dan, I am in Missourah and this is geared for our record keeping system. Hope this helps.
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Click to view jenssonj's profile   4 posts since
Jan 24, 2008
11. Feb 5, 2008 4:25 PM in response to: ToddR
Re: Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE
But isn't the fact that FFA is considered an intracurricular activity not an extra curricular activity make a difference? (in reponse to the fact that extra credit is illegal)
Click to view AgriHawg's profile   15 posts since
Nov 15, 2007
12. Feb 5, 2008 5:15 PM in response to: jenssonj
Re: Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE
Todd, you are correct!

Technically, FFA is not extra credit, nor should it be treated that way.

Public Law 740 (and subsequent renewal 105-225) makes FFA an integral part of the curriculum. It is INTRA-curricular, not extra-curricular.

While I do not "REQUIRE" membership in FFA (ie; payment of dues) I certainly "ENCOURAGE" them heavily. At the end of the day, all aspects of leadership training and processes to organize and manage FFA events and activities are done via committee which all students are members of regardless of dues payment or not. Because it is a part of the curriculum and part of the class. I use applications as class projects and as a way to evaluate SAE growth and performance.

These are tools for teaching organization, leadership and teamwork. Anything that is held outside of class time they are not required to attend (that would be "extra"), but you can bet they were probably required to help plan it during school if I've built that into the lesson.

For outside activities we use FFA participation points, not extra credit. The FFA points can count up to a maximun of 10% bonus (not extra credit) in the class. It can only help the students grade, not hurt it. They know this ahead of time. These points are also used to determine who gets to attend National FFA Convention. Students who contribute the most to the chapter's success, get to go to National.

In regard to SAE, that has been built into the program since Smith-Hughes. It is REQUIRED for a student to have an SAE. It is also NOT extra credit. You can look at my earlier post to see how I evaluate their grade on this.

Granted some SAEs are more or less spectacular than others. BUT if a student has nothing for an SAE, its the same and not performing a lab activity for a class. Their grade in penalized accordingly. Students are informed ahead of time that an SAE is required.

I am pretty strict on these points. Any exceptions or adjustment are made on a case by case basis. You do have to be flexible. However, students know its the exception, not the rule. Students generally respond favorably to the policy once they get used to it. If they can't tolerate it and refuse to abide by it, then you probably don't want them in your program anyway.

BTW, we do have a good FFA Booster Club that helps students with SAEs and FFA activities if they have difficulty being involved because of finances etc. They do this either in the form of a grant or a loan, whichever the student feels comforatable with.

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Feb 13, 2008
13. Feb 13, 2008 7:01 PM in response to: smithl
Re: Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE

There is a good SAE Rubric on www.agiowa.org and then click on Record Books. It is under the Dollars and Hours file and click on the tab marked Grading.

I give points for SAE books, and usually just 50 points for participation--- it's an either all or nothing thing and all they have to do is ONE activity. FFA member or not. Chapter Meetings count.

FWIW< ME

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Jun 19, 2008
14. Jun 21, 2008 5:45 PM in response to: smithl
Re: Grade points for FFA, SAE, LDE & CDE

Lee,

At our school I proposed a equal split of all parts of the Agriculture Education Program to the board and they approved. Classroom 34%, FFA 33%, and SAE 33%. This caused alot of questions in the beginning; but know they know what to expect when they sign up for an ag class.